We do need to make a change so you can manually go into a 3D mode for easier calibration.
pharkin wrote on Thu, 25 November 2010 06:39We do need to make a change so you can manually go into a 3D mode for easier calibration.
Have you implemented that feature in the meanwhile ? I want to use the AVSHD for calibrating, but I don't know, how to use the AVSHD in the 3D-mode. So it would be nice to have a feature in the Radiance to FORCE a 3D-mode when using the AVSHD.
Currently you need the input to be 3D, and then the Radiance Pattern will also be in "3D mode" and so can be used for calibrating 3D. We do not have a schedule for adding a command to output 3D patterns when the input is not 3D at this time.
... Sorry, but I think you know that the test patterns in the Radiance are not the best for adjusting the contrast / brightness The "blinking patterns" of the AVSHD are much more better.
I am thinking of the blinking bars (1% step) of the AVSHD. IMHO that are the best test patterns I have ever seen to adjust the brightness / contrast: you can also see discoloration. That was not possible with the test pattern in the Radiance.
The problem is not the BRIGHTNESS, that's easy to detect. The CONTRAST is the problem.
It's very easy to set the black level of a projector: display a 0 IRE field pattern and increase / decrease the brightness controler as far as it will not change.
Contrast is easy to set with the Radiance patterns. I have done it many times.
Actually, all the settings in my projector (JVC) and in my sources are at OFF or 0.
alex_t wrote on Sat, 30 April 2011 08:52
Actually, all the settings in my projector (JVC) and in my sources are at OFF or 0.
I had to decrease my contrast to -4 with my RS40. Otherwise there was a visible discoloration. But it was very hard to see the discoloration with the contrast patterns in the Radiance. One look at the blinking bars of the AVSHD and I could detect it at once.
So while I understand you wanting to be "perfect" you should know that you are "fixing" something that doesn't happen on real material. That said I am certainly NOT against a bit of extra headroom here. So, we will look at adding a pattern with levels up to 255.
Nudge wrote on Fri, 29 April 2011 16:59... Sorry, but I think you know that the test patterns in the Radiance are not the best for adjusting the contrast / brightness The "blinking patterns" of the AVSHD are much more better.
I disagree.
Our Contrast 2 pattern is the best pattern I have used for black level. It has -4% to +4% in 1% steps in the middle of the screen and allows for setting black level very accurately.
Not sure on the pattern you mention, but generally the blink patterns are at black -4 and perhaps +4 IRE. Avia is this way. To accurately set black you should have 1% steps steps like our contrast 2 pattern.
I find it very straight forward to use our Contrast 2 pattern to set black level very accurately and I dislike blinking patterns.
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Our Contrast 1 pattern works well for setting white level.
Hi Ric,
Re 1 and 2, look at the text "Press help for commands" at the top of the screen. If your 4 bars near the centre of the screen start under f(or) and end under the co(mmands), that means you are showing 17, which is the bar under the f(or). To the left of 17, you have a double width bar for black (which should disappear into your backround as you can't show blacker than black. Then to the left again, you have four more bars showing up to -4% in 4% steps, as explaind by Jim. So when your brightness is properly calibrated, you should see only the four bars you see in the middle.
Re 3, the larger bars on the sides ar there t check if you show blacker than black or not. As you can';t it must be confusing, but it should look like a 5 or 10% white bar surrounded by two black bars of the sme width to the right (to the left of these three large barswould be BTB than you cannot see. So on the right, you have BTB, B, 5%, B. On the left side, you have black (double width), BTB, 5% and then black. With brightness set properly, you probably only see the 5% bar on the right (with one bar width of black after it) and the 5% bar on the left of the screen (with 2 bars width of black to the left).
@Manni
Can you also explain how you would use the contrast 1-pattern of the Radiance to adjust the contrast of the output channel of the Radiance ? I think the 96 and 104 IREs of contrast 1 are too inaccurate to adjust the contrast.
I agree that if you wanted to calibrate WTW as per THX specs, or fine-tune the amount of headroom you want to have above 235, say aim fo 240, it wouldn't be as precise as the AVS-HD pattern where you have all the steps in 1% steps. Although you could still use the contrast1 pattern to set contrast one click above 235 (WTW just showing) if you wanted just a bit of headroom, or find the contrast settting where WTW doesn't raise any higher, which means you're set for 104% white. I can't see any reason to go any higher than that!
But I'm sure you are aware that when you target over 235, you are losing brightness in 99% of real material, and therefore on/off contrast? To me that's a compromise I'm not happy with, even if I had brightness to spare, for the rare situations where real material would actually be resolved over 235.
I personally don't understand why THX insists on using superwhite, but I'm sure there is a better reason than that.
The problem is that when in 3D, the Lumagen is not responsive and is not able to display any pattern or menus
As I said, it isn't IR interference
As soon as I switch to 3D (1080p24FP on a JVC rs45), I can't display anything from the Radiance on the display (no menus, no patterns). The only thing I can do, is display say a menu or a status screen in 1080p24, and if I then switch to 1080p24FP, it still displays, but the Radiance is irresponsive (ie whatever is displayed is frozen).
Has this issue always been present and no one has noticed it before now? Or is this new as of the last firmware update?
I don't understand the problem. Nearly EVERY device is blocked by the IR signal of a 3D projector. That's not an issue of the Radiance.
My Radiance is placed beside and behind of the X30 and it's one of the devices which ISN'T blocked.
lovingdvd wrote on Sun, 26 February 2012 19:44Has this issue always been present and no one has noticed it before now? Or is this new as of the last firmware update?
If it's IR interference I don't think it's new. Can you display menus/patterns when a 3D bluray is playing on your VW95ES?
Although if you're using the monster glasses only, that's RF so if the internal IR emitter is not activated it wouldn't interfere.
The Radiance seems DEAD when a 3D bluray is playing, even if you put the remote right next to it. You have to block the 3D emitter (or disconnect it if you can), or you can't control the Radiance. At least that's what happens here.
What you're describing sounds like IR interference from the glasses driver interfering with Radiance remote reception. Try covering the displays IR emitter with several layers of dense tape to test.
If we have a display IR that interface with radiance ... and its menu do not appear, How can we calibrate this 3D display??
Ah,ok. I have chromapure, but i don't yet try the serial connection.
As nudge said, Calman (and Chromapure) control the Radiance through rs-232 so it's only a problem when displaying patterns / accessing menus manually.
Is it possible,instead, a software interface that replies the remote via RS-232?
So I'm forced to access manually (via IR) to the Radiance Menus.
No, that's wrong ! With CalMAN you can use the interactive controls (via Drag & Drop)
or also the DDC-controls (via HSL).
title=Nudge wrote on Mon, 27 February 2012 15:35With CalMAN you can use the interactive controls (via Drag & Drop) or also the DDC-controls (via HSL).
Yes, you're right Nudge but ... "Drag and Drop" for me is like an autocalibration ... this function (in my tests) never bring optimal results like my manual calibration!
If you read the thread that I linked you can see that Radiance do not work natively in HSL. Infact in that thread we strongly ask to Spectracal to introduce an RGB control in their software ...
I think nudge had asked about this before, but I would like to bring this up again and hopefully CALMAN can start supporting this flow...
Since Radiance is using RGB as the control for CMS, wouldn't it make sense for the flow to use RGB instead of HSL?
Do you have any news from spectracal about this new feature?
any date?
You are lucky with both the vw95 and your satellite box.
Here as reported the radiance mini stops working when the rs45 switches to 3D (FP) and it also interferes with my HD satellite box (humax tn5000HD). It's the only device in my setup which reacts so extremely (other devices are slowed down but are still responsive in 3D) or causes such interferences (I can't use the radiance remote when watching satellite TV as it changes channels or settings, I even had to lock the menu of my box as occasionally I forget and it caused a few unintended resets, wiping all channels and settings!).
I know this would be solved with RF or rs232 remotes (this is what lumagen suggested when I contacted them about the satellite box issue) but I still hope that the IR circuit in the radiance will be improved on future models. Either I'm very unlucky or it is poorly implemented, suffering/causing more interferences than any other devices. That includes a sony s570, a denon 3311, an MCE remote, a dune base 3.0, and of course the rs45 and tn5000HD, which all work fine together without the radiance in the chain.
You can directly use the original Optoma-transmitter with the RS45. There is no need for a special adapter. That's only necessary if you like to use both glasses: JVC AND Optoma.
Oh so the JVC has a standard VESA connector for the emitter?
Manni wrote on Sat, 03 March 2012 04:00You are lucky with both the vw95 and your satellite box.
Here as reported the radiance mini stops working when the rs45 switches to 3D (FP) and it also interferes with my HD satellite box (humax tn5000HD). It's the only device in my setup which reacts so extremely (other devices are slowed down but are still responsive in 3D) or causes such interferences (I can't use the radiance remote when watching satellite TV as it changes channels or settings, I even had to lock the menu of my box as occasionally I forget and it caused a few unintended resets, wiping all channels and settings!).
I know this would be solved with RF or rs232 remotes (this is what lumagen suggested when I contacted them about the satellite box issue) but I still hope that the IR circuit in the radiance will be improved on future models. Either I'm very unlucky or it is poorly implemented, suffering/causing more interferences than any other devices. That includes a sony s570, a denon 3311, an MCE remote, a dune base 3.0, and of course the rs45 and tn5000HD, which all work fine together without the radiance in the chain.
Do you still have the Monster or Optoma glasses? I seem to recall you getting rid of them. Since the IR is causing issues for you not just with the Radiance would it be worth switching to a RF-only solution? I think you could make or find someone to make a custom cable for you to connects from the emitter port on the JVC to the Monster dongle, thereby eliminating IR for 3D completely.
That of course assumes you are OK with using only Monster/Optoma glasses. You probably already invested in other glasses so this may not be worth it, but if its causing high annoyance than it might be worth considering?
The left and right image are completely separate in the Radiance. There is no crosstalk issue inside the Radiance. The crosstalk that you see is an issue that is caused by the display or 3D glasses.
We will look at adding a 3D crosstalk test pattern.
Randy Freeman
Lumagen
We will check out this issue before we do the next software release. Thanks for the report.
Randy Freeman
Lumagen
We will check out this issue before we do the next software release.
Randy Freeman wrote on Fri, 20 July 2012 06:27We will check out this issue before we do the next software release.
When could we await a new software release ? Last release was in march It's very quiet at the moment.
It's true that it's a bit quiet at the moment, but last release was in May
Manni wrote on Fri, 20 July 2012 18:03
It's true that it's a bit quiet at the moment, but last release was in May
Last update for the Radiance XE was in march And that's the top product of Lumagen.